New vampires in sight!

In these days of vampire scarcity (bad pun intended), we’re happy to get new ones as promos or in decks that were not built around their clans.

We just got a few new ones, so let’s have a look (and a reveal preview too, because we love you like that and we have some inside Information at Black Chantry…).

First we have the new promo card that you’ll get at the Paris European Championship (you know you’ll come!).

Jacques Rouge

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Jacques Rouge is a 6-Cap Nosferatu, and is Baron of Versailles (the palace near Paris that became Louis XIV’s residency).

So, how do we like this guy?

First, a 6-Cap with 2 votes isn’t too shabby. he won’t be able to play Camarilla votes, so his playability will depend a lot on the friends he gets. As of now, in G5-G6 (well, G5…) we have a Primogen, a Prince and a Justicar. Also, until now you wouldn’t have included a Baron in a mostly Camarilla vote deck, especially not in Nosferatu, because you relied on Parity Shift for both survival and kill. Now, with the errata, it might be way harder, so assuming you still want to play Nosfie votes you might just include a cheap Baron.

His disciplines aren’t combat-oriented, to say the least. Inferior Ani and Pot won’t frighten anyone… Except of course if you play Anarch combat cards! So that gives us two different angles:

  • A voting deck: he’ll be perfect with his OBF and his 2 votes, the real question being the companions he’ll get. Ani could still be used to get some permacept. And maybe, just maybe, he could push some votes with his Pre. Who knows, maybe he could be joined with some other cheap titled guys with Obf/Pre, and… Maybe a splash of Dom for deflect?
  • A toolbox Anarch deck, maybe even with a combat angle based on cards such as Dust Up. With the current cards I wouldn’t bet a dime on it, but who knows in the near future?

So, it’s hard to predict anything about the future playability of that vampire at this stage, but he sure gives some value for his cost.

Casey_Snyder

Casey Snyder

This american Baron was pre-released as a promo for the NAC at the Origins convention, and will be made globally available later this year.

A pretty straightforward Anarch Gangrel (and we can expect lots more of them if VTES follows the V5 of the RPG). He would be quite a good vamp without his title, so as he stands he’s a pretty good deal, like his Nosfie friend.

His Cel/For makes him an obvious user of Diversion, Ani/Cel shouts Dust Up and Hell-For-Leather, and if you give him some intercept he could benefit from Guardian Vigil. I’d say we’ll need to follow this guy (and see who he comes with).

Grimgroth

Grimgroth

Included in the upcoming 25th anniversary box, Grimgroth is a 10-Cap G6 Tremere.

No title for this cost, ok, so what does he do?

Well, for starters he has all in-clan disciplines at superior (we wouldn’t expect less), and PRE and For as out-of-clans. PRE without any title isn’t really exciting, especially when you’d rather do some fighting and lack any real stealth discipline. For might have its uses (less so now with the errata on Ankara Citadel), once more it depends on the companions that he’ll get with similar disciplines.

Now to the exciting part: the +2 bleed. This basically makes him a non-titled, 10-Cap Inner Circle. Ok, this comparison is flawed from the start. But you get my meaning: pay one more and you gain 4 votes. Does that make this vampire bad? Certainly not, but you probably won’t include him with an upcoming Inner Circle, and if you have to choose between one and the other, well… So you need a real good incentive to pick Grimgroth. Too bad he has nothing in common with Mary Anne Blaire

Last but not least, we have his special.

One of the decks currently dominating the scene is the Antonio D’Erlette with the Nephandus ally. That ally has always been popular due to his value for cost, but fell out of grace when the meta turned towards light cept, and it took d’Erlette to make him fashionable again.

The Tremere currently have access to 2 in-clan Mage Allies, and a few more clanless ones:

  • Outcast Mage: not a bad ally in itself, but certainly not worth 3 pool. He doesn’t have the press or the prevent that makes the Nephandus so popular, but he can maneuver to long and strike once for 2R (where the Nephandus could strike for 1R, press and repeat). Even if he isn’t near as good as the Nephandus, I could play some for just one mere pool (or for free with a Charisma).
  • Thadius Zho is basically a better and Unique Outcast Mage: one more bleed, and a special text that you won’t use often. But even with Grimgroth that makes him cost 2 pool… Well, ok, he’s probably worth it.
  • Mehemet of the Ahl-i-Batin: so for 1 pool (normally 3) we get… A Unique Outcast Mage with no bleed, no maneuver and a useless special. Hard pass!!
  • Order of Hermes Cabal: a Unique Mage with 2 Life who bleeds for 1 and strikes for 1R aggravated. Not worth 4 pool, possibly worth 2 if you have other maneuvers he can use. Anyway he’s Unique, so you can try to include one and see how if goes…
  • Talaq, The Immortal: a Unique Mage with 3 Life, 1R, a maneuver, and the ability to play Tha cards at inferior. Really nice for 1 pool! He has no bleed though, so he’ll be mainly used for defense.

outcastmage.jpgSadly, it must be pointed out that Ponticulus is a Wraith, not a Mage!

So, to sum it up, we can now pay very bad allies a much more reasonnable cost, that might make them interesting (lots of testing will have to occur to determine that…).

Let it be noted that the first attempt at reducing their cost was Erichtho, and that no deck worth of note came out of it. But of course Grimgroth reduces them by one more pool, doesn’t have to be the one doing the recruit action, and also has that nifty +2 bleed.

So it all comes down to those questions:

  • Is the concept worth getting a 10-Cap out?
  • Will the Tremere be able to pass the recruit actions (or make the blockers pay enough)? Maybe on that account it’s better that Grimgroth isn’t titled, as he can play Piper (and could even unlock and act once under Rutor’s Hand)…
  • Is the obvious edge Antonio and his Nephandi have over Grimgroth and his Mages (such bad alternative rock band names right there…) compensated by Grimmy’s other qualities (better disciplines, +2 bleed, and the ability to play Enkil Cog with Rutor’s Hand)?

I honestly prefer not to say anything radical before having seen the deck in action.

But then, it’s not all about sheer competition. This vampire opens a deck concept just by existing, and that in itself is good! We also might get some new (and better) Mages, a THA card to recruit the Magic of the Smith way, who knows? And of course we still have to see the G5 to G7 vampires he’ll be associating with.

So, all in all, a card with a potential that I hope the game will let us exploit fully in the near future.

That will be all for today dear Kindred, here’s hoping those few lines will help you wait until we get those vampires and many more!

Till then, remember: your prey is to the left, except when it’s me.

Orpheus

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  1. Thanks, Orpheus, It’s always great to get a first take on the new vampires. I wish you would have included Casey Snyder in the article since no one has taken the time to give a first impression on him/her.

    However, you don’t explore some of the best Anarch options for Jaques. He has all of the Anarch bleed disciplines: pre, pot, and ani. You’ve got Undue Influence (one of the best bleed actions) and you can follow that up with Power of One at pre or pot or Adhocracy at ani.

    He works with Irena quite nicely, who’s also Anarch out-of-the-box. They overlap on pre and ani and she can use Adhocracy for vote push.

    You also have Laura, Ariane, the aforementioned Irena, and Aisha az-Zahra as other built-in Anarchs with pre. An Undue Influence bleed deck with a small vote angle from Jaques and Aisha seems like a good choice. With the bloat from Undue Influence you probably don’t need many (any?) Exclusion Principle (avoid the table bloat if possible), but the occasional KRC or Domain Challenge will help boost the deck significantly. With Jaques you can splash Cloak the Gathering and/or Veil the Legions to spice up the stealth package.

    Also, vote push from pre is not the Anarchs’ best strength. You could match him with obf weenies (not as easy in G5/6 yet) and use Propaganda of the Deed. The vote package is probably some combination of Eat the Rich, Exclusion Principle, and, with weenies, a Revolutionary Council.

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    1. Hi Karl! Well, I did mention Anarch tech, without getting into the details. Honestly, none of those proposals seem very viable to me. If I want to go the Undue Influence way I’d rather do it either with !Toreador or with Pre/Dom minions. But then you’re free to try those out. 😉

      Yes, Casey could fit in there. I’ll see if I add him or just mention him.

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      1. Deck viability for Anarchs is much harder to come by, so maybe my threshold is a little lower. 😉 That being said, people usually expect me to show up with Anarch decks (and I have had good success with them).

        I agree that !Toreador Undue Influence Palla Granda is probably the pinnacle of that deck type. A solid selection of vampires, plus AUS for bouncing. The Baron title on Jaques opens up new options to the deck type. You have the option to try the bleed+vote angle, which seems appealing to me. It will somewhat depend on how the G5/6/7 vampires fill out to see if it can go from decent and fun to good.

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